The Second Debate: However badly you think you think Hillary did, she did worse.

I just watched the Second Presidential Debate. If I was nervous about the first one  I was doubly so with the second. I knew Hillary was not going to collapse or cough or whatever. Worse than this, a couple of days before the debate, The Trump Tapes had been dropped on Trump and were seen as perhaps campaign ruining by some.

I thought Trump may have been on the ropes a little. I know he is a smart guy and plays to win. I know he is not sensitive and soft, but in addition to this I knew he had two moderators and they were both Liberals. I suspected he was being set up to be bailed out of the campaign.

I had two things that gave me a little solace. Firstly, Trump is unpredictable and secondly, he has the bar set so low for him in terms of expectation, that he may survive this debate even if it goes rather badly.

Now I have watched the debate in its entirety and all I can say is “Wow! Holy shit!”. Hillary has done so very badly here. Terribly. I will need to really spell out how bad this was in my view because it is not perhaps as some have spelled it out of for reasons they may say. Its actually worse and for better reasons.

Last debate Hillary won. She did better. Not by much, but better. Trump returned the favour. I would have rated out of 10 for the last debate, Hillary a 7.5 and Trump a 6. You will note not a lot between them. This debate I would rate Hillary a 6-6.5 and Trump a 7.5-8.

Hillary suffers from a weight of media and Liberal surrogate driven high expectations. She is SUPPOSED to be this experienced, super knowledgeable, efficient , connected, policy wonk. Trump is supposed to be an inefficient, uncontrolled, ineffective, ignorant, useless, stupid, hopeless, rambling idiot. His expectations are terrible.

As I said in the previous post she is almost obligated to destroy Trump in the debates because she is this political superwoman and he is a joke candidate in contrast and comparison, apparently. So he doing not markedly worse than her in the first debate actually probably went against her. This time he actually beat her. THAT REALLY goes against her. IF he is this hopeless candidate and she is the pinnacle of political brilliance, how the Hell does that happen?

But it is worse than that Trump is a person that is not running on political experience or political knowledge or his political achievements. He is running on his energy, personality, anti-establishment ideas, and his fresh ideas. This debate forum is entirely suited to Clinton. He also wings it far more than Hillary and THAT is a weakness. If she gets such low crowds, hates rallies and interviews, has no personality and such, then THIS is where she HAS to demolish him. Three debates. First one she barely won, second one, she lost, and now she only really has one more opportunity.

But it gets worse than that. The Moderators were interjecting, favouring Hillary, loading questions against Trump, and even debating Trump. Still he won.

But it gets worse still. Two days ago the Trump Tapes were dropped and caused an uproar. Trump publicly apologised and People were up in arms. It was going to come up and it was going to be ugly. Seemingly all Hillary had to do was to sink the boot. Trump was expected to be knocked down by this and leave the debate with his campaign in tatters. What did he do? He got the women who have been on the other end of Hillary’s malice to speak out about this and to be in the front row of the Presidential debate. then when it got onto that topic (and not satisfied with Trump’s inability to  grovel) and ask it three times, Trump was able to answer it effectively and decisively and take that off the table. Hillary could not do much with it and when she did he destroyed her with talking about Bill (with him in the audience no less).

I get the feeling that she is simply out of strategy or answers. She is losing ground and her campaign’s attempts to hurt him are failing. I expect there will be bigger things to come out in this last 4 weeks and they will be more terrible BUT after this sensational failure, won’t it be seen as what it is? Desperate ploys made by desperate people?

This still could go any way. But Hillary has one more opportunity to take out Trump. If Trump can gain in the Battleground states and keep those gains, he will win and he is slowly doing that. A slight shift to him will have him turn Florida and Pennsylvania from tied to win. There is precious little between North Carolina, Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Higher rates of Republican and Independent turnouts for Trump and/or a few percent shift, will change the whole nature of this election.

Watch how desperate Hillary’s campaign will be from here on out and how many different tactics they will use. Strap in folks. It is going to be a bumpy ride.

 

 

YES, Trump said some really crappy things about women, and…..

….that means what exactly? This is the bit I am struggling with. He is not a nice guy? He is suddenly unable to lead America because he said some shitty things ten years ago? That his policies are somehow less important or considered or relevant than they were a few days ago before we knew?

What exactly?

Is what he said excusable? Does it need to be? Really? Why? And what does that mean anyhow? I mean this people saying “Oh your apology looks forced”, Who fucking cares? Its from people that would under no circumstances have accepted it and probably would not have voted for him regardless, but want to marinate in his “comeuppance”. Fuck them, there is nothing he would have been able to do to “make things right” with them, so who cares about their opinion?

So Hillary and her surrogates think that this nullifies his attacks over her husbands, treatment of women. What about Hillary herself? He certainly was taped having a pretty lewd locker room type spew against women, but what about HER?

I do not even have to look at Bill and HIS behaviour but LOOK at Hillary. Not that Hillary has said anything that Donald has said (which is immature, chest thumping, ego blasting, crass, lewd locker room speak) BUT I would say this is equally on the same level……on second thoughts probably a fair bit worse.

Did you get an apology from Hillary? Will anyone expect it? Will she be pilloried for it?

The thing that pisses me off with this whole thing is that Hillary could rock up to the debate with a baby on her lap and proceed to eat it live on air and she would get a pass on it. Trump will cop a lot of shit over this and it may stymie his rise.

I was never under any allusion about Trump. The man IS flawed. “How flawed?” Is the question. Not nearly as much as Hillary. His getting another Conservative judge will prevent a lot of eroding of the US legislation and will prevent redefining traditionally held interpretations of the constitution. His putting America first will allow America to thrive in a world economy. His willingness to break up the establishment will allow for a lot of the trough swilling corruption to be exposed and cauterised. He is taking out Common Core. He has that effect of calling out bullshit (much like the boy from the Emperor’s new clothes story). It is a necessary when political correctness and moral pandering to “Progressives” and Liberal media has a chilling effect on people. He calls it out right or wrong. He is coming at many of his policies with a fresh set of eyes and that is also helpful.

I think he will get decent and smart people around him to feed him good knowledge and execute the aspects of government that he needs to run America. I do not think he will be terribly hands on but I think that he will be a decent statesman as his talks with the Egyptian leaders and the Mexican President.

I think as flawed as he is, he is not without any merit and I think the same cannot be said for Hillary. In the debate when he said “She has experience and its bad experience. 30 years and what have you done?” Its all true. She is the embodiment of political corruption and status quo. The very worst of politics is what she offers. It needs to be done away with.

I am so annoyed that this COULD actually hurt him and be seen as mattering to his Presidency when it doesn’t in the slightest.

 

An Australian Centrist view of Donald Trump…

Hillary Clinton is corrupt and an influence peddling politician, on the take, and seemingly above the law. She is however cunning as a fox and has the might of the establishment, media, social platforms, and the majority of Hispanic, Black and LGBT voters supporting her.

But then there is Donald Trump.

How the Hell did this guy blow away 16 candidates? The guy is a machine.

I DO like his ability to piss people off and not budge an inch against the outrage merchants, PC police, identity politic panderers and Social Justice Warriors. Takes guts and balls. Another thing I like about him is his ability to actually engage and be animated, joke around, and such. The fact that people under-estimate him is kind of awesome.

There is one tiny thing I have an issue with. (I mean he IS a blowhard, egoist and arrogant, but I have no issue with these things. Nothing dishonest or malicious about these traits – See Hillary above). That one issue is, in his efforts to simplify things he has taken very complex matters with much nuance and sensitivity and a heap of context, and tried to sum these things up in 2 sentence answers. Now I have reason to suspect why he has done this but it HAS hurt him a bit and unfairly so.

I can well imagine his campaign staff saying “Okay Donald, I really need your attention a minute. Here is one of the big issues we need to address. Read through this memo on illegal immigrants. Really important.”

Him saying “Yeah I got it. Illegal immigrants are important”

Them trying again “No, Donald. We spent hours on this. It is really nuanced and very sensitive. We need you to hit all the right notes or they will twist this to make you look really bad”

Him saying “Trust me it will be fine. They will love it”

Them going full hog whilst they have his attention “Right. Donald, because of open borders Mexican cartels prey on illegal immigrants to people smuggle, use as drug mules and rape trees mark the no man land around the border between Mexico and US, as a testament to the brutality that the Mexican cartels visit on illegal immigrants trying to cross. There is gang warfare and murders and associated cartel violence around these areas. A border wall will reduce this substantially. It will keep our citizens safer and mean less illegal immigrants have to deal with these atrocities.”

He tells them its great and then (without teleprompter) and without any of that background or context says “They send rapists and drug dealers here…”

At the end of the speech he is all smiles and thumbs up, the liberal press gets out their knives and the memo writers are consecutively facepalming or crying.

This is I think his biggest problem. I do not think his policies or messages are bad or immoral or come from a bad place nor are stupid. I think they are really very good. His delivery did suck.

Was it completely be accident though?

Donald Trump is despite his faults persuasive, charismatic AND smart. It is one of the things that people so often underrate him on. I notice it with Liberals, they see him and assume that he is stupid and immoral and then with this overestimation of their own moral and intellectual superiority over him and by direct connection, his followers, they cast insults and judgments down from a high horse position.

Then they are surprised when he meets each challenge put toward him. They increasingly find themselves running short of reasons for him doing so well. Luck can only go so far and how many people in the US are REALLY THAT stupid/immoral? Of course the possibility that they were the stupid ones to not see what was going on is too hard for them to admit. The same applies to their belief of him as a fascist, Nazi, racist, xenophobe, sexist or whatever. He keeps on Trumping them. Shame too for them because they miss out on seeing brilliance.

Remember when he started? 16 candidates. Over a year worth of campaigning. I think he was smart and said “I gotta do whatever I need to win this Primary. Long term consequences be damned. Let me win here and then I will deal with the fallout later because if i don’t win this and play too safe, there will be no later”

He generated SO much free press. As someone that was funding himself it would have been a boon, BUT that was not the main two reasons to generate the free press. One reason was to make him the focus. This put him right up at the leader pack in front of many seasoned politicians. It also starved publicity from the other candidates. If everyone is writing about Trump and not you, then they are unlikely to vote for you. Of course I have mentioned the types of things he said that generated this free publicity.

Then he picked those juvenile names:Low Energy Jeb, Little Marco and Lyin’ Ted. Yes, they were silly and immature BUT they DID stick with repetition and NO ONE wants to vote in a politician that you think is a liar or is lazy or petite.

They kept dropping out. It WAS brutal and there was a lot of fallout. The party was fractured. Then it was time to start consolidating. His VP pick was a good one. Not only for the evangelical vote (because he was not going to get it through the Cruz camp) but more importantly he represented a line to the establishment who were unhappy with Trump (a tip of the hat, if you will). Heading into the convention an attempted coup failed. The convention was almost resoundingly a success. Two speeches (his wife’s and Ted’s) were slightly problematic. But that was no big thing. Letting Ted speak would make Donald look like the better person regardless. Better he did look too. Whilst Cruz was not interested in endorsing Trump, he virtual committed political suicide and so very many of his horrified supporters have thrown in with Trump now.

Trump no longer needs to attract attention. He needs to mend a few bridges, which as mentioned above, he is doing. He needs to campaign hard but he is up for that. He has identified 15 battleground states to concentrate on leading up to the election. I have noticed he is relying more on the teleprompters and keeping it nice and tight. His support base is solid and growing. His party is slowly solidifying around him. (Many of the people adamantly opposed to him are coming to the end of their terms this year and may well finish up or be voted out, which will take away some of the problem).

So at the moment he is up in Florida, Ohio, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. If he can defend the Romney states and flip these, then he has won it. He is 5 months from the general election and obviously a lot can happen but he has finally broken through and is leading Hillary in the polls, and in the states that matter.

I personally think Hillary for all her corruption and her support from media, social media, SuperPacs, various celebrities and Liberal establishment will lose this one. She WILL snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

It will be glorious. When she loses and he wins, I am going to contact all of those celebrities that virtue signalled that they were going to leave US if trump became President and I will ask them each when are they leaving.

This is an exciting election. I do hope that the Bernie supporters do not support Hillary as she screwed them through her surrogates in the DNC. We know how that goes though they do her bidding on her behalf with her having plausible deniability and in return they get the promise of a reward. Just like the Mafiosi back in the day the soldiers would do work for the caporegimes who acted for the Don. If the soldiers were caught they had to take the fall and remain quiet. Whilst in prison, their families were looked after and they had a reward for when they got out. However if they tried to rat out the Boss, then the result was often fatal. Do Debbie Wasserman-Schultz takes the fall and gets an appointment by Hillary as a reward (Well done trying to look like you were not rewarding her Hillary, subtle you weren’t).

I think really their options are either of two options. Either “reward” Hillary and give her the result she deserves by voting for Trump OR vote for someone at least as ideologically pure as Bernie (if not moreso) in progressive politics. Carry on the Political revolution. Vote for her, build the grassroots and networks. If you vote for her will you win? Nope. But if you do all rally behind her, you will give her strength and you will see how much difference you made, where your weaknesses are and what you need to do over the next 4 years to make the party viable and politically viable against the other two. So maybe a red, blue and green party?

I am really looking forward to Trump winning and for him to prove his naysayers wrong.