Hate group when is a group one and when are they not

This really ought not have to be spelled out to rational, logical, reasonable and intelligent people.

A hate group is pretty easy to pick.

Firstly you will publicly own your hate/bigotry.

Secondly you will exclude those particular types of people in your group.

Thirdly you will publicly seek to harm your excluded group.

IF you are doing these things it is transparent. If you are doing these things it helps your group because it invites like-minded people to your cause.

Try this test with The Nazi Party, Westboro Baptist Church, Neo-Nazis, and ISIS. Works doesn’t it?

You know who this doesn’t work on….at all? #Gamergate

1) “Firstly you will publicly own your hate/bigotry” – We are accused by OTHERS of being bigoted or hating women or transgendered people. But we do not publicly own this hate, it is a narrative driven against us by others.

2) “Secondly you will exclude those particular types of people in your group.” – We have many of the same people that we are supposed to hate, supporting us in Gamergate.

3) “Thirdly you will publicly seek to harm your excluded group.” – Again this fails. We certainly disagree with those lying about us and who we consider dishonest and harmful to the industry. However some say that women in the industry have been harmed, the question is, “By whom?”. If it was not done by consent or authorisation from Gamergate nor as part of an understood hate…and in truth, no-one knows exactly who is causing whatever harm to these specific reason or for what reason, then it fails this test too.

The only thing you have to fall back on is that Gamergate MAY be a unique subversive type of hate group whereby all hatred of women is secreted and not made public and women supporting Gamergate are treated especially well even though they are secretly hated, to give cover. In addition and after 12 months no physical attacks against women has occurred and any non-tangible type of attacks have not been shown to originate from Gamergate BUT this is due to luck or stealth or whatever.

Anyone who is prepared to fall back on this position is intellectual dishonest or completely fucking stupid. Possibly both.

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